#aspec wille

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This is a really interesting hc and I would love to hear other aspec folks' opinions!

A couple of points I wanted to add:

In 2.03, Wille tells Boris in therapy that the feelings Simon awakened in him are new (and says it was sort of better not knowing how it could feel). At sixteen, it's very possible for him to be allo and experiencing strong attraction with serious feelings for the first time - and it's also very possible for him to be unwittingly aspec as per @retrieve-the-kraken's hc.

There's a sexual vibe in the scenes where Wille "stalks" Simon's IG in S1. This applies especially to 1.03, but I'd say it's already there in 1.02 (when they are only just getting to know each other). It could be argued it's already there at the end of 1.01, or the tension could just be interpreted as romantic attraction.

To me personally, it seems like Wille is experiencing sexual (and also romantic) attraction to Simon pretty early in terms of forming an emotional bond - but of course that doesn't prevent him from being demi! It's only my own experience (I'm an alloromantic grey ace with demi tendencies), and as OP said above, there are many, MANY ways to be aspec. It varies how quickly people are able to form that connection - actually, I would love to hear what people who primarily identify as demi make of Wille! As for greys, we are a mixed bag of people who experience attraction rarely and/or weakly; Wille could just be the first type but not the second.

And of course there are also people who don't neatly fit into any of these definitions but are still acespec and/or arospec in their own unique way!

At any rate, I find this a really interesting hc! I do think the authorial intent in canon was for Wille to just be allo and in love for the first time - but I really love that it's still possible to find such sturdy anchoring points for an aspec reading. He truly is written as unlabelled.

Now that it’s been a year since the finale of Young Royals, I’m gonna post another one of my “I don’t know if someone has already said this, but” hypothesis/essays, although this one is a little shorter… (maybe).

Hypothesis: Wille is in the Aro and/or Ace Spectrum. 💚🤍🩶🖤 💜🤍🩶🖤 🧡💛🤍🩵💙

Sure, I might be saying this because I myself am in the aroace spectrum, and already I relate to other aspects of Wille (particularly having major anxiety, due to others’ expectations, not being able to meet them, etc.) so why not this one, right? But it’s precisely because I’m aroace, and I’ve been doing a lot of reading about being aroace (as any person who realized their sexual identity in their adulthood would do), that I feel like I know enough about it now to propose this hypothesis. I’m not just pulling this out of nowhere, nope. I’ve literally been thinking about this since season fucking one (i know, that’s a long time).

Hear me out.

I know we don’t get enough instances of what Wille was like before he met Simon, so we haven’t seen enough of Wille before he became smitten with the boy who sang defiantly in church, but from the beginning of the show, and all throughout, there seems to be no indication that Wille has ever looked at anyone the way he looks at Simon. No crushes, no boyfriends/girlfriends, no rumors, no prior romance rumors/sex scandals, nothing that might even indicate that he has any kind of preference. That is until he meets Simon, of course.

(I don’t know about other aroaces, but for me, besides not having the language when I was young, I just think it’s a little harder to realize you’re aroace. From both a scientific and sociological standpoint, I would propose that finding out you’re aroace, and maybe also bisexual and pansexual, is slightly harder than finding out you’re some of the other sexualities. I second-guessed myself for years, thinking that maybe I “just hadn’t met the right person yet” and all that stuff. Because it’s slightly harder to confirm the absence of something.)

(Asexuality is not an absence of sexuality, to be clear, it’s an absence of attraction. Same for aromanticism.)

But as it happens with most aroace people, the people around them assume them to be allosexual/alloromantic, even heterosexual/heteroromantic, at least until proved otherwise (and sometimes not even then).

And maybe the people around Wille would do the same with him. Even if there hadn’t been, as far as we know, any indication that he was or wasn’t. Until they’re ALL proven wrong.

I would propose that not even Wille knew. I don’t know about other aces, but I was immersed enough in the allonormativity around me, that I didn’t even have to convince myself that I was just like everyone else. I just assumed it. When I didn’t feel like kissing or dating anyone or having sex with anyone around the age of 16, I just subconsciously assumed that it was because I just hadn’t met anyone that I was interested in, that I was a late bloomer, etc. It only caught my attention when I was an adult and I continued to not feel that urge…

So maybe if Wille hadn’t met Simon when he did, he might have convinced himself that he just hadn’t met someone he was interested in, or maybe he would have convinced himself that he could have something with Felice, or someone else that was deemed appropriate for him. Just like he tries (unsuccessfully) to hook up with Felice to see if he would feel something for someone else, or for the opposite sex. (Well, if that isn’t the plot of Alice Oseman’s “Loveless”…) Even if Wille does seem to be getting into it, before they get interrupted… But there’s also a difference between attraction, sexual desire and libido that this ace in particular knows all too well by now. There are many, MANY ways to be arospec and/or acespec.

Rewind to the first season: when Wille becomes coy talking to his brother about his “crush”, and Erik teases him, it doesn’t seem to me like this is something that has happened before. Erik assumes that there has to be a crush involved, because obviously Wille is acting different. Skipping on a chance to come home? To stay at the school that he clearly hates?? To “study”??? Something’s fishy (get it? Fishy. Like Simon’s fish. Haha.)

But also the way Erik tells Wille to enjoy it before people decide to have an opinion on it, makes me think that this hasn’t happened yet. That this advice has not been handed down to his little brother before.

Meanwhile, as we see in season 2 with the girls gossiping at the cafe, they’re talking about the video and Wille and Simon, and then they turn to the topic of Erik’s love life, mentioning the OnlyFans model, and such. I would assume that, if Wille had been with someone, anyone, prior to Simon, that someone would be talking about it. But the only gossip that anyone has on Wille is with Simon. Everyone is talking about them, but the shock doesn’t only come from the fact that they got caught on video, also from the fact that Simon is a boy, his ethnicity and his social status.

That’s not to say that Wille could not have had a crush or even a relationship prior to Simon. Maybe he did, maybe we just didn’t get to see it, or hear anything about it. But judging from the way that he reacted when he first hears and then sees Simon, the way he latches on to him, the way he wants to be with him all the time, and so on and so forth… he’s never experienced that before. This is the first time. He’s inexperienced, but earnest. And so is Simon. But they work. They’re it for each other. Wille has found his person, no need to examine his sexuality further. He just wanted to be loved, to be with the person he loved, and escape all expectations thrust upon him.

Happy ending.

I lied. This turned out just as long as other posts. Could be even longer, but I’m tired…

In conclusion: maybe Wille could be grayromantic/graysexual, or even demiromantic/demisexual. Or maybe he’s just Simonromantic/Simonsexual. Whatever he is, he remains unlabelled. He could be so many things. I just decided to explore the possibility that he is this one thing, and I think I could make a pretty good case for it.

I would love to hear other opinions on this, fun facts, things that I might have missed, questions, etc. Don’t be rude in the comments, though. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

💚🤍🩶🖤 💜🤍🩶🖤 🧡💛🤍🩵💙

[ninja-knox-ur-sox-off]

Aroace Sonic pt 12

Y'know what's funny is they actually were fighting

[cosmicredcadet]

Some of you people need to stop acting so shitty over aspec stereotypes because it's starting to get to a point that you are just shitting on the people who experiences match the stereotypes and it's hurting a lot more aspects than it's helping.

[sentient-mawce]

Opinions on Fishlegs x Hiccup

I mean I see hiccup as aroace. I personally am not gonna draw him in a romantic relationship with anyone. I’m not against people shipping fishlegs and hiccup but I’m personally not going down that route. I think their platonic love for each other is really heartwarming and important to showcase. I feel like theyre more than just friends but their relationship could never be considered romantic. To fishlegs, hiccup is everything. Hiccup raised fishlegs, he took care of him, they have been together the entirety of each others lives and they are endlessly loyal to each other. And for hiccup, for the longest time, fishlegs was his only friend and the only one willing to fully accept everything about him without question. I think they share a bond that can’t quite be described, I think they love and care for each other in a familial way and through their codependency.

I could talk on and on about them but to answer the question, it’s cute and I’m not against it but it’s not how I personally see the characters or their relationship and as such I won’t be intentionally depicting them that way

I hope what I’m saying makes sense and was a satisfactory answer

[dead-inside-demiboy]

....So apparently you can have an "oh shit I love this person" moment without it being a dating/attraction thing.

[productofaritual]

Character: *does not canonically have a romantic love interest*

Me: You're aspec now. I take no criticism

[queersekai]

🔀 and bigender aroace please! (also would like to see the bigender flag with yellow just bc i prefer how it looks, but it’s nbd!)

You rolled VS Luka!

PSD by me!

[beawritingbooks]

Hi!

My name is Bea, and I am asexual/homoromantic.

Recently, I realized that I don't have many friends that are ace or aspec. That being said, I'd really like to cultivate a community of fellow aspec people.

So, I was wondering if any aspec people out there wanted to chat or be friends?

I am an adult, so this is MDNI. My rule is that I will only chat/be friends with other adults. Also, I mean no hate to allosexuals. You guys are great, and I truly appreciate and value my friendships with the allosexuals that I know! I just think it'd be nice to also talk to aspec people, as well.

If you interact with this post (like, reblog, and/or comment), I'll send you a message!

That is, unless I see in your bio that you are a minor. In which case, while I appreciate the engagement with this post, I will not send you a message.

Thanks for reading 💜

[styrofauxm]

"But are you sure you're aroace?"

*glances at a tiny bit of the sheer amount of research, self reflection of parts of me I had been repressing for years, and self doubt I went through to figure out my identity*

"Yeah, pretty sure."

[peach-pot]

i live in such a beautiful aroace bubble i genuinely get so shocked to learn that sometimes people watch a movie where the protagonist demonstrates an intense aversion to coupling up and conclude that the only explanation is that they're gay... like hello

[treezxu]

guys i hate making romance

[kordbot]

does anyone know any chill aromantic / aspec discord servers I could join

[papercranesandpride]

Every so often you see some aroallo* on here saying that the aro and ace communities should be separate and I just. Have you never actually talked to an asexual? Have you never had a single conversation with one about your aspec identities?

Like, obviously there's the fact that so many people are aroace and so the two communities would still have a lot of overlap no matter what, but even if you're talking about people who are just asexual, we both say and feel the same exact things, just about romance instead of sex. Honestly sometimes it feels like I have more in common with alloaces than aroaces because we both have the same central frustration of "why the hell has society decided that these two things have to go together? Why is only wanting one such a hard concept?" They understand the struggle of how hard it is to find people who are willing to do one thing with you but don't expect you to do the other.

Like, I have had a conversation before with someone who was like "I know this is going to sound super weird, especially from someone who is ace" and I got to say "oh my god, no, not only is that not weird, I've done the exact same thing before but with romance." That's so cool! It's great that we can do that!

Whether you're aro, ace, another aspec identity (because let's not forget about atertiaries), or some combination of those, we all share the same frustration of "why is all media so obsessed with this one thing?" We all can't easily explain our identities to other people. We literally feel the exact same ways, just about different things. The aspec experience is the same across all identities, it's just in different fonts.

Saying we should be separate is like saying that lesbians and gay people shouldn't be in the same community, because lesbians know nothing about attraction to men and gay people know nothing about attraction to women. People have said that too, and I hope you all know how ridiculous that is. It's ignoring the common ground of being attracted to the same gender instead of the one you're supposed to be attracted to, and it's also ignoring how much defining those identities as not liking men/women is going to alienate the bi/pan/etc people who also share most of the same experiences.

Anyway. Hi aces. You are very cool. If anyone doesn't want you sitting with me, I'll make them leave instead.

*(Full disclosure that I'm sure there are aces who say this too, I just don't see it because I don't follow ace tags)

[onesidedradiostatic]

the #radio silence tagging problem in the hazbin fandom

said I would make a more eye-catching psa about this, here it is

**although #radiosilence WITHOUT the space is better than #radio silence with the space, I would still like to discourage it, will elaborate later

and 90% of the time, they will listen and change accordingly.

and oh yeah. about that book.

Why shouldn't #radio silence be used?

Radio Silence is the name of a book set in the heartstopper universe by alice oseman.

(which also features a canon aspec character, pictured on the right: aled last!)

and as such: #radio silence is their MAIN FANDOM tag. it is inconsiderate to flood their tag with content from another fandom, especially one as popular as hazbin hotel. but unfortunately, this is something that is already happening because of radiosilence as a ship tag.

and if you're not convinced this is something that bothers radio silence fans, here's some input from the fans themselves:

Wait, so is #radiosilence without the space still fine to use?

it's better than the mistagging of #radio silence with the space. but ONLY on tumblr, because on tumblr, we're allowed the privilege of adding spaces to tags.

I still would like to discourage it though, because for as long as this tag is popularly in use, there will constantly be people mistagging it with a space. I've done what I could to nudge people to fix their tagging but I can't constantly keep this up.

plus, on other sites such as tiktok and twitter, #radiosilence IS literally the main tag for the book because you literally can't add spaces for tags on those sites. so the radio silence book fandom is likely even more drowned out on those sites than here on tumblr because of the popularisation of #radiosilence as a tag for one-sided radiostatic.

I will not be forcing anyone to ditch #radiosilence without the space as a tag though, especially when it's already so popularly used and essentially impossible to get everyone to change it, but I encourage you to go for other options if you are willing to such as:

#onewaybroadcast

decided via a poll last month that was ongoing before #radiosilence was initially popularised, held by ChaoticAce2005 and me.

it's the tag that I always use for one-sided radiostatic and is decently used by others as well! and you won't run into any issue with clashing with the radio silence/osemanverse fandom at all this way. but again, I will not force you, all I ask is that AT THE VERY LEAST, don't tag #radio silence with the space and to nudge others to change it if they do.

please help to silence the radio silence tag!

(the tagging issue on tiktok and twitter are outside of my jurisdiction as I don't engage with hazbin on twitter and I don't even use tiktok, but if possible, it would be appreciated if anyone is able to spread the alternate tag #onewaybroadcast on those sites too to discourage flooding the radio silence book fandom! I believe the original person to coin #radiosilence has been doing work to discourage it on tiktok too, any help is appreciated!)

[aevellewritessometimes]

Touchstarved NSFW Headcanons

Just some general NSFW HCs for the main cast (because Elyon and Sen are both enigmas to me)

I'm just going to preface this by saying that @/creepsterdreams just happened to hit the nail right on the head with what I was thinking. Unrealated note, y'all should check out their work if you ever get the chance :)

Content Warnings: Mildly unconventional kinks? (we don' kinkshame here though), blatant Vere favoritism, may or may not be OOC, this whole thing was written by an aspec person, most of this was written at 12 am while sleepy

Edit: I took the opportunity to try and fix some previously missed typos, and after I finished I found out that the Pope fucking died. Happy Easter!

Word Count: 2,010

MINORS DNI

KURAS

Alignment: Vers + Switch

Kinks: Body worship (giving), cockwarming, lingerie, soft sex, masochism

Due to his height, he's more used to domming and/or topping by default, but he doesn't really have anything against being the submissive one

That being said, I get masochist vibes from him. He's usually good at not showing that side of him, but it's also not all that hard to get him to show it

Not too apposed to being on the receiving end of body worship, but just feels weirdly guilty about it

^ Combining body worship with his masochistic tendencies could potentially get him to cry, which is otherwise difficult because I feel like he has really high endurance

Soft dom/service top vibes

Has a much larger lingerie collection than one would expect

^ It's not crazy large or anything, it's just that most people wouldn't expect him to have one to begin with

I don't know if he needs to sleep at all, but in a situation where both he and his partner are in the mood but his partner is too tired to actually have sex with him, he'd be very open to just cockwarming either until they fall asleep or they get riled up

Due to him disliking "difficult patients," I feel like an excessive amount of bratiness would be a bit of a turnoff for him

Would absolutely be the type to light candles to set the mood

(^ Don't ask me about what types/scents; I don't use candles often enough to give you a good answer)

Corruption kink is also a turnoff for him as of "present day." However, I do see a chance of this changing depending on how his endings alter his character by the end of the game

Knows how to make his own lube and protection/contraceptives and is a God at aftercare

LEANDER

Alignment: Switch + Vers

Kinks: Bondage (domming + subbing), praise (giving + receiving), degradation (mostly receiving), temperature play, semi-public sex, aphrodisiacs, corruption kink

Generally prefers subbing, but there are a few scenarios where he'd rather dom

^ Those scenarios can range from anywhere between specific kinks to who he's sleeping with

Would be the type to swap roles mid-sex if that's what he and his partner both want

Is very good at tying and untying knots

^ Has once tried to use his magic for bondage purposes, but it turned out to be much more flammable than anticipated. Kuras still gives him shit for that time he and his friend had to rush to the clinic at one in the morning due to third degree burns

Make him do some honor bondage if you really wanna torture him

Has tried cockwarming on multiple occasions; never has the patience to stay still for very long

Would generally be willing to degrade his partner if that's what they're into, but his overall comfort with doing so entirely depends on his relationship with them outside of sex

Would be the type to mix praise and degradation in the same sentence

Also gives me masochist vibes, but is much more willing to admit it than Kuras

^ Doesn't really outright say it, but also doesn't put too much effort into hiding it

Probably has a lower back tattoo

The pierced nipples are canon in my mind, fight me

If his partner is someone he's trying to keep close (*cough* MC *cough*) then he's definitely going to bring out the subtle corruption kink

^ Doesn't matter if he's the dom or sub, one way or another he's going to figure out how to corrupt them

Knows how to make his own aphrodisiacs. Shockingly enough, he doesn't do anything crazy with them, but nobody really trusts him enough to test that out (except for Ais that one time)

^ Also knows how to make his own contraceptives. They're effective but they taste weird. Has tried and frequently failed to make his own lube; it always turns out concerningly chunky

Has a very expensive toy collection

VERE

Alignment: Circumstantial

Kinks: Predator/prey roleplay (theoretically), corruption kink, hypnosis (domming), pet play (domming), degredation (mostly giving), praise (mostly recieving), vocalness, bloodplay, lingerie, orgasm control (domming + subbing), dacryphilia, sensory deprivation, biting, sadomasochism, breeding (occasional)

His alignment is fully dependent of his relationship with his partner outside of sex

^ Casual fling? Definitely a dom, most likely a top. Close friend/romantic partner? Vers switch who prefers to dom

Enjoys the idea of predator/prey roleplay, but Eridia is just too crowded with people and Soulless for him to indulge in it as much as he'd like

^ Sure, both situations would be easy for him to handle, but having to suddenly halt everything to disembowel something/someone just ruins the mood, especially if it ends up putting his partner in danger

Very prevalent corruption kink. Something something false idol stuff

^ He doesn't care much about the concept of virginity, but if his partner is 1) someone he actually gives a fuck about and 2) a virgin, then he's definitely going to make something out of it for the sake of said corruption kink

Hypnosis and pet play are the two scenarios that he is strictly the dom for when they come up; both kinks spawning from the fact that he, who was once revered as a god, has been brought down to be something lesser than what he probably once considered as pawns means that he takes great pleasure in seeing someone being so willing to allow themself to become something lesser just for the sake of worshiping him, even if it's only temporary

^ Also, I feel like Vere being able to hypnotize people is just canon. Not to start theory posting, but given that the eyes for his monster silhouette look almost like spirals if you squint, his voice was described as "so supple I could slip into it" (or something along those lines), and there's two scenes where he seems to mess with the shadows to keep MC from looking anywhere except directly into his eyes… yeah this guy has to at least know how to hypnotize people, if he doesn't have some kind of hypnosis-based powers

Not necessarily apposed to dishing out praise, he's just more of an "actions over words" type and generally prefers to be on the receiving end

^ If the praise feels condescending and/or overly sappy it will just end up being a turnoff

^^ Despises the phrase "good boy" being used on him

Is willing to be degraded, but saying the wrong thing on the wrong day is a very easy way to damage your relationship with him

^ It is also possible for him to say the wrong thing on the wrong day as well. Honestly, I think it could be a very likely scenario

Knows he looks good in blood, but also likes seeing his partner in blood when given the option

Is the one with the truly impressive lingerie collection, although he doesn't actually have many toys

^ Does own some absurdly expensive lube though

Two quick facts about foxes: they're very vocal when having sex and they're the most active during winter

I imagine that Vere, no matter his role or position, is vocal in some way, shape, or form; whether it be crying or moaning or talking or even screaming

The little winter tidbit makes me think that Vere becomes a bit more sadistic and significantly hornier during the winter months; sees it as a great way to keep warm blow off some steam while waiting for the horrid season to come to an end

^ Temporarily develops a breeding kink during this time, but it goes away as the snow starts melting

^^ If he's closer with his partner in this circumstance, he would absolutely steal some contraceptives from Kuras for his partner if they were to be needed. Yes, he knows they could just ask and get it for free, but why skip out on the opportunity to be a thorn in the doctor's side?

Loves making his partner scream

Always leaves at least one bite mark for his partners to remember him by

^ The amount left and the placement depends on his level of closeness outside of sex

Overall enjoys most forms of power play, but he needs to be in a specific mindset to willingly be the submissive one'

^ Doesn't see the appeal in age play, though. Like, at all. Hard no for him

AIS

Alignment: Vers + Switch

Kinks: Brat taming (domming + subbing), sadomasochism, voyeurism (?), intox kink, bloodplay, choking (domming), shibari (domming + subbing), biting (giving + receiving), dacryphilia, orgasm control (domming + subbing), size kink

First thing's first; the groupmind may or may not be a potential factor for his sex life, depending on how exactly it works

^ For instance, if Ocudeus or the other groupmind members are able to. Like. Perceive things from Ais's perspective, then voyeurism is going to be an aspect of his sex life and there's little he can do about it

Moving on: also generally doms by default; partially due to his size, but also because he's the type to test if whoever's trying to dom him is actually assertive enough to do so

^ Hence why he's such a (literally) massive brat

Judging by how he feels about MC's and Vere's shitty personalities, him being into brats is just a given

There's also some subtle corruption kink going on, but unlike in Vere and Leander's case, it's not intentional on his end

Slightly prefers being bitten over biting his partner

Strongly prefers drug intox over alcohol intox when it comes to intox play

Prefers shibari over regular bondage because he's a fan of the patterns

^ Oddly enough, he isn't that big of a lingerie fan; he doesn't have anything against it, he just prefers full nudity

Impact play is a strong turnoff for him, though most other forms of pain play are generally on the table for him

Choking isn't something he indulges in often, partially because he doesn't like being choked and partially because he is very aware of his own strength; won't even make an attempt if he's having angry sex

Better at aftercare than most people tend to expect

MHIN

Alignment: Circumstantial

Kinks: Size kink (domming), predator/prey play (domming; deeply internalized), knife play (domming), bondage (domming + subbing), honor bondage (subbing), hypnosis (subbing), brat taming (domming), overstim (subbing), soft sex

Wouldn't sub for a fling. They also wouldn't want to bottom for a fling, either; nor would they want to bring any strong kinks into bed for them

If their partner is someone they trust, then they would honestly much rather be the submissive one

They've stumbled across topics such as hypnosis or predator/prey kinks in books, but they've never actually tried them in real life, despite both topics peaking their interest

^ Due to recent circumstances, they actually feel quite guilty about having a predator/prey kink these days, rather than just feeling a bit embarrassed

Enjoys domming a partner who is shorter than them, really enjoys domming a partner who is taller than them

Finds the presence of ropes oddly comforting, but also enjoys testing their own patience with honor bondage

As much as they like control, allowing someone else to take the reins so that they can take a break is just as pleasurable for them

^ Sometimes a bitch just needs to shut down their brain for a bit

Isn't really a fan of knife play in the leaving marks/drawing blood way, but they do like just lightly dragging a knife across their partner's body

Another one who knows how to make protection/contraceptives, but doesn't know how to make effective lube